Monday, February 06, 2006
Re: KP2006FEB03
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Re: KP2006FEB03
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:35:58 -0800,
Brahmamurti wrote:
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>> KP2006FEB03
>>
>> 10:39 NOW
>> resolving.
>> been busy the last few days.
>> got in two sessions in two days,
>> which is a record for me lately,
>> then doing stuff for a couple
>> of days. I was busy playing
>> and didn't miss it,
>> though I was also spending
>> time sitting at my mind and
>> happily imagining places I
>> might well happily be soon.
>>
>> Lots of attention on the CSS group . . .
>> http://www.centerforsacredsciences.org/
>> I was very impressed by the congregation:
>> quiet, polite, focused, intent . . . but also
>> relaxed, undogmatic, and ready to laugh.
>>
>> My perception is that Joel and his group
>> are functioning well above death in their
>> collective self-improvement endeavor.
>>
>> They don't have any attention wrapped
>> up in symbols or rituals, which is quite
>> refreshing.
Brahmamurti wrote:
> They have symbols on their web site of some of the religions and some
> of the mystical paths as well. So saying that they don't have any
> attention wrapped up in symbols would be a lie or am I missing a point
> here?
They have one banner hanging on a side wall
in their meeting room with a buffect of images
from the religions whose mystics they study.
There doesn't seem to be much attention on it.
There are no formal symbolic robes or vestments.
Joel wears clean and neat blue jeans, and a mexican
serape. In the front of the room, where Joel stands
there are a couple of small tables. On what would be
the altar position in a church is a small cardboard box
with a white card taped on it reading "Lost and Found"
in hand lettered magic marker. I wrote more about
them but teranews won't post now. Later with this.
>I am not lecturing mind you simply pointing to something which
> obviously seems not to be true at all. Of course you were at their
> meeting. I wasn't. Maybe this is where you got the idea?
Yes.
The meeting room and the meeting agenda
are conspicuously symbol and ritual free
compared to most spiritual practices.
They are aware of this and Joel talked
about it in passing. It's helpful for
some things but more work.
You aren't guided by tradition,
you have to make your own way.
> They don't squeeze you for
>> money at the meeting. I read around a
>> lot of their web site. I really like most of
>> it. Their sad confusion about quantum
>> mechanics can hexpectantly be rectified
>> as they seem willing to communicate, as
>> time and circumstances permit. I don't
>> know if they are looking for new sElf
>> understanding techniques, but they are
>> openly soliciting for new world views,
>> of which I happily have some to share!
>>
>> I certainly plan to offer them the opportunity to
>> compare the UCP viewpoint, practice, and results
>> with their mystical common denomination actions.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> It really excites me that they are interested in physics!
>> Their webmaster is a physicist, and Joel is very well
>> versed in physics: he corrected me when I mistated
>> a Heisenberg idea to Schroedinger. Of course, they
>> have not encountered Rado's aetheric triuimph yet.
>>
>> Meditation is the key to understanding the inner world.
>> Physics is the key to understanding the hexterior world.
>
> interesting.
>
>> I'm looking forward to fostering and enjoying their
>>
>> *SURPRISE!* when their pennies drop into their
>>
>> WISHING *WELL!* of immediate gratification!
That scenario looks much farther away
than it did before more communication
revealed one physicist speaks for all.
>> 11:11 I have the same sense of eager anticipation
>> I did in the minutes I was hexpecting Sir Richard to
>> come to the party. The telepathic resonance was
>> ringing very loud before the telephone chimed in.
Update:
there is less resonance than I hoped,
but still far more than I usually find.
>> It keeps occurring to me that I've been around
>> this town for a long time looking for aware people.
>> I went to the UU, the Unity and the SOM church.
> Some church?
Science of Mind, founded by Ernest Holmes
>> I met a lot of interesting aware people, but none
>> that were open to ideas they didn't already have.
> Most people are comfortable where they are. They don't want to change
> when they can pretend just fine that they are just fine.
Yes. But these people really
are working on themselves,
and showing obvious clarity.
They are getting results now!
That's a big deal here + now!
>> So far these people seem more open to dialog.
>> I'm enjoying them so far, and hexpect more play.
>>
>> I've had my attention on another resonance too:
>> http://www.nomorehoaxes.com/ by George Green.
>> His Handbook for the New Paradigm article was
>> quite interesting. It's the start of a FREE book,
>> which they sent me in a couple of days! I got a
>> similar feeling reading the Course in Miracles.
>> At least another place to compare my now to!
> What feeling did you get reading the Course of Miracles?
I curious sense of . . .
impersonal detachment?
I don't have good words for it.
I enjoyed it. It was quite interesting.
Not sure I want to stay there forever.
> Are feelings your progress gauge?
YESSENCE!
The UCPlot is the hierarchy of feelings.
But in this case the feeling was
more of a clue to investigation,
which I haven't done closely.
That was 20 plus years ago.
>> I wonder if these new communication resonances
>> have come into my universe because I stopped
>> INTERFERING with Communication TO ME from
>> the YOUniverse at large? There's a Thought!
>>
>> 11:27
>>
>> reread session 11:34
>>
>> It's curious to me that I found two organizations
>> offering free information on awarenesss . . .
> Make that three: www.maitreya.org
Yes, of course. There are many such.
These were new ones arriving to me.
I was looking at why I noticed something
that had been in my environment before,
but had been invisible to me. Why now?
>> Gosh! That's similar to how UCP operates! . . .
>>
>> while working on getting my own personal tone
>> level up to Communication. I wonder if this is
>> because I stopped withholding some personal
>> reality + comm from the world at large lately?
>>
>> I used to try to keep my person viewpoints
>> separate from my ucp teacher viewpoint,
>> but they seem to have collapsed recently
>> when Richard came to my party and I
>> decided to move the party here as
>> much as possible from now on.
>>
>> Or maybe it's just mORe
>> MYstical coincidence! :-)
>>
>> I KNOW HOW TO
>> TEST I*T AGAIN!
>>
>> 11:41
>>
>> thought I was done!
>> seemed like nice full circle!
>> something else lurking?
>>
>> 11:45
>>
>> Ah Yes! Now I see it!
>>
>> I'm comparing Joel's scene
>> with my ideal scene for me.
>>
>> They've got quite an Apollonian
>> Ideal Scene already established.
>> Their places feels like the temple
>> it is. It's got that Buddhist-temple
>> feel to it, because of the awareness
>> of the people there.
>>
>> That's Way Cool!
>>
>> I AM APOLLO!
>>
>> I AM DIONYSIS TOO!
>>
>> I want to keep
>> us both happy!
>>
>>
>>
>> something about
>> integrating them?
>>
>> rereading 12:06
>>
>>
>>
>> Thinking about court case
>> re my retreat land
>> that's my best
>> long term possibility for
>> my dionysiac family.
>>
>>
>> of apollonian individuals
>> melting into dionysiac
>> conscious chaos of
>> my fantasy family.
>>
>>
>>
>> If a couple of UCP sessions have
>> brought me this much change
>> already . . . I'll do more soon!
> You seem surprised
Pleasantly!
I've done a lot of HARD sessions,
and these seemed rather easy,
yet seemed to change things.
It was more effort getting
myself into session than
it was doing the session
in some ways, though in
others the session was
still hard. I don't like
. . . change that . . .
yawning and fuzzing out
and knot knowing what
is coming up next . . .
I DO LIKE IT!
WHEN I come out of it
with a smile on my face
and a new understanding
I guess I could get used
to life being easier if I
had know other choice.
It might take a lot of practice,
but I might be willing to do that
as long as it was easy enough.
>> what?
>>
>> 12:16
>>
>> I think I full circled . . .
>> but I'm still
>>
>>
>>
>> something to do with how
>> CSS and UCP relate . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> That depends on them
>> as well as me. We''ll See!
>>
>>
>>
>> ???? Don't seem to be able
>> to finish this session. Attention
>> stuck on something. still yawns.
>>
>> Thinking about finishing things.
>>
>> Not wanting or not able to finish.
>> If you do, that kills the game.
>>
>> Wanting to KEEP PLAYING.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I'm AFRAID of Knowing
>> because it will SPoil my GAME!
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I'm afraid that if I know,
>> I will know that I will lose, and
>> then I won't want to play.
> But it would allow you put attention on things that you can win. If
> you'd know what doesn't work you might be able to know what would work.
Agreed!
>>
>>
>> Well that's good!
>>
>> I should stop playing
>> that losing game so
>>
>> I CAN WIN ANOTHER!
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking forward to
>> more dialog with Joel
>> and the CSS members.
>>
>> They are obviously
>> doing something
>> hextremely right.
>>
>> COMPARING TO UCP
>> will be very revealing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Trying to Finish vs.
>> Trying not to Finish
>>
>> As in wanting to win,
>> but the game play on,
>>
>> as in writing music.
>> I want the symphony
>> to go on and on
>> forever
>>
>> and I also need it to end
>>
>> it's like tantric sex
>> it feels so good
>> you want it to
>> go on forever
> there is more to tantra than sex.
Sure!
There's much more to
dining than to eating.
There's much more to
sharing than to using!
> Here is a quote from a Satsang with
> Maitreya(http://www.maitreya.org/FILES/Feast/Lectures/3rd-seal_sacrifice.htm):
> 'There are two paths, the path of yoga and the path of tantra. The path
> of yoga is to avoid. It means discipline, to avoid it. You say, "I am
> not going to do these things because of the way they affect me."
OK!
But that's obviously being
a macoshist effect of them!
By saying never, you
only create forever.
>But the path of tantra is to go through it and see the triviality of it.
OK!
Life is trivial
to the dead.
I think the challenge of LIFE
is to integrate the Apollonian
awareness of contemplation with
the Dionysiac abandonment of self.
I understand that happens in
meditation iself, but I talking about
also reflecting that in REAL LIFE.
My ideal scene would be a monthly
community rhythm which waxed and
waned with the moon. Party during
the full moon and meditate in new.
>You understand, "What good did this do me?"
MY NOW WAS WOW!
Better Memories Through
Fabulous Sexperiences!
>For instance, "Do I have to
>watch television for such a long time,
>or do I have to go through this
> desire that I have?"
No you don't. You don't have to live.
>You come out of it and you say, "So what? That
> didn't satisfy me. That wasn't it.
>It was not permanent, it was temporary."'
Life is temporary.
Enjoy it now,
when you can.
After we are dead
we can celebrate
the triviality of life!
THANKS FOR WRITING!
O
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>> and you also
>> really want
>> to come
>>
>> APOLLO and DIONYSIS
>> in their interraction,
>> usually oscillate
>> from pole to
>> pole shIFt.
>>
>> I guess in non-duality they
>> would both be coming forever
>> in the eternal silent stillness?
>>
>> ????
>>
>> I guess I could
>> make do with that
>>
>> if it was my
>> only choice!
>>
>> Time will tell
>> Will what to
>>
>> DO NOW!
>> I'M DONE!
>>
>> ANOTHER STEP CLOSER!
>>
>> 1:03 edit + format 1:16
>>
>> 2:37 total this session
>>
>> THANKS FOR READING!
>
> Thanks for sharing. Good to see you do UCP.
>
>>
>> O
>> --- )
>> \
>>
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DATE: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:35:58 -0800,
NEWSGROUP: alt.ucp
THREAD: Re: KP2006FEB03
POSTER: Brahmamurti
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Re: KP2006FEB03
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:35:58 -0800,
Brahmamurti
. . . snip old header . . .
>> KP2006FEB03
>>
>> 10:39 NOW
>>
>> been busy the last few days.
>> got in two sessions in two days,
>> which is a record for me lately,
>> then doing stuff for a couple
>> of days. I was busy playing
>>
>> though I was also spending
>> time sitting at my mind and
>> happily imagining places I
>> might well happily be soon.
>>
>> Lots of attention on the CSS group . . .
>> http://www.centerforsacredsciences.org/
>> I was very impressed by the congregation:
>> quiet, polite, focused, intent . . . but also
>> relaxed, undogmatic, and ready to laugh.
>>
>> My perception is that Joel and his group
>> are functioning well above death in their
>> collective self-improvement endeavor.
>>
>> They don't have any attention wrapped
>> up in symbols or rituals, which is quite
>> refreshing.
Brahmamurti
> They have symbols on their web site of some of the religions and some
> of the mystical paths as well. So saying that they don't have any
> attention wrapped up in symbols would be a lie or am I missing a point
> here?
They have one banner hanging on a side wall
in their meeting room with a buffect of images
from the religions whose mystics they study.
There doesn't seem to be much attention on it.
There are no formal symbolic robes or vestments.
Joel wears clean and neat blue jeans, and a mexican
serape. In the front of the room, where Joel stands
there are a couple of small tables. On what would be
the altar position in a church is a small cardboard box
with a white card taped on it reading "Lost and Found"
in hand lettered magic marker. I wrote more about
them but teranews won't post now. Later with this.
>I am not lecturing mind you simply pointing to something which
> obviously seems not to be true at all. Of course you were at their
> meeting. I wasn't. Maybe this is where you got the idea?
Yes.
The meeting room and the meeting agenda
are conspicuously symbol and ritual free
compared to most spiritual practices.
They are aware of this and Joel talked
about it in passing. It's helpful for
some things but more work.
You aren't guided by tradition,
you have to make your own way.
> They don't squeeze you for
>> money at the meeting. I read around a
>> lot of their web site. I really like most of
>> it. Their sad confusion about quantum
>> mechanics can hexpectantly be rectified
>> as they seem willing to communicate, as
>> time and circumstances permit. I don't
>> know if they are looking for new sElf
>> understanding techniques, but they are
>> openly soliciting for new world views,
>> of which I happily have some to share!
>>
>> I certainly plan to offer them the opportunity to
>> compare the UCP viewpoint, practice, and results
>> with their mystical common denomination actions.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> It really excites me that they are interested in physics!
>> Their webmaster is a physicist, and Joel is very well
>> versed in physics: he corrected me when I mistated
>> a Heisenberg idea to Schroedinger. Of course, they
>> have not encountered Rado's aetheric triuimph yet.
>>
>> Meditation is the key to understanding the inner world.
>> Physics is the key to understanding the hexterior world.
>
> interesting.
>
>> I'm looking forward to fostering and enjoying their
>>
>> *SURPRISE!* when their pennies drop into their
>>
>> WISHING *WELL!* of immediate gratification!
That scenario looks much farther away
than it did before more communication
revealed one physicist speaks for all.
>> 11:11 I have the same sense of eager anticipation
>> I did in the minutes I was hexpecting Sir Richard to
>> come to the party. The telepathic resonance was
>> ringing very loud before the telephone chimed in.
Update:
there is less resonance than I hoped,
but still far more than I usually find.
>> It keeps occurring to me that I've been around
>> this town for a long time looking for aware people.
>> I went to the UU, the Unity and the SOM church.
> Some church?
Science of Mind, founded by Ernest Holmes
>> I met a lot of interesting aware people, but none
>> that were open to ideas they didn't already have.
> Most people are comfortable where they are. They don't want to change
> when they can pretend just fine that they are just fine.
Yes. But these people really
are working on themselves,
and showing obvious clarity.
They are getting results now!
That's a big deal here + now!
>> So far these people seem more open to dialog.
>> I'm enjoying them so far, and hexpect more play.
>>
>> I've had my attention on another resonance too:
>> http://www.nomorehoaxes.com/ by George Green.
>> His Handbook for the New Paradigm article was
>> quite interesting. It's the start of a FREE book,
>> which they sent me in a couple of days! I got a
>> similar feeling reading the Course in Miracles.
>> At least another place to compare my now to!
> What feeling did you get reading the Course of Miracles?
I curious sense of . . .
impersonal detachment?
I don't have good words for it.
I enjoyed it. It was quite interesting.
Not sure I want to stay there forever.
> Are feelings your progress gauge?
YESSENCE!
The UCPlot is the hierarchy of feelings.
But in this case the feeling was
more of a clue to investigation,
which I haven't done closely.
That was 20 plus years ago.
>> I wonder if these new communication resonances
>> have come into my universe because I stopped
>> INTERFERING with Communication TO ME from
>> the YOUniverse at large? There's a Thought!
>>
>> 11:27
>>
>> reread session 11:34
>>
>> It's curious to me that I found two organizations
>> offering free information on awarenesss . . .
> Make that three: www.maitreya.org
Yes, of course. There are many such.
These were new ones arriving to me.
I was looking at why I noticed something
that had been in my environment before,
but had been invisible to me. Why now?
>> Gosh! That's similar to how UCP operates! . . .
>>
>> while working on getting my own personal tone
>> level up to Communication. I wonder if this is
>> because I stopped withholding some personal
>> reality + comm from the world at large lately?
>>
>> I used to try to keep my person viewpoints
>> separate from my ucp teacher viewpoint,
>> but they seem to have collapsed recently
>> when Richard came to my party and I
>> decided to move the party here as
>> much as possible from now on.
>>
>> Or maybe it's just mORe
>> MYstical coincidence! :-)
>>
>> I KNOW HOW TO
>> TEST I*T AGAIN!
>>
>> 11:41
>>
>>
>> seemed like nice full circle!
>> something else lurking?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ah Yes! Now I see it!
>>
>> I'm comparing Joel's scene
>> with my ideal scene for me.
>>
>> They've got quite an Apollonian
>> Ideal Scene already established.
>> Their places feels like the temple
>> it is. It's got that Buddhist-temple
>> feel to it, because of the awareness
>> of the people there.
>>
>> That's Way Cool!
>>
>> I AM APOLLO!
>>
>> I AM DIONYSIS TOO!
>>
>> I want to keep
>> us both happy!
>>
>>
>>
>> something about
>> integrating them?
>>
>> rereading
>>
>>
>>
>> Thinking about court case
>>
>>
>> long term possibility for
>> my dionysiac family.
>>
>>
>> of apollonian individuals
>> melting into dionysiac
>> conscious chaos of
>> my fantasy family.
>>
>>
>>
>> If a couple of UCP sessions have
>> brought me this much change
>> already . . . I'll do more soon!
> You seem surprised
Pleasantly!
I've done a lot of HARD sessions,
and these seemed rather easy,
yet seemed to change things.
It was more effort getting
myself into session than
it was doing the session
in some ways, though in
others the session was
still hard. I don't like
. . . change that . . .
yawning and fuzzing out
and knot knowing what
is coming up next . . .
I DO LIKE IT!
WHEN I come out of it
with a smile on my face
and a new understanding
I guess I could get used
to life being easier if I
had know other choice.
It might take a lot of practice,
but I might be willing to do that
as long as it was easy enough.
>>
>>
>> 12:16
>>
>> I think I full circled . . .
>> but I'm still
>>
>>
>>
>> something to do with how
>> CSS and UCP relate . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> That depends on them
>> as well as me. We''ll See!
>>
>>
>>
>> ???? Don't seem to be able
>> to finish this session. Attention
>> stuck on something. still yawns.
>>
>> Thinking about finishing things.
>>
>> Not wanting or not able to finish.
>> If you do, that kills the game.
>>
>> Wanting to KEEP PLAYING.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I'm AFRAID of Knowing
>> because it will SPoil my GAME!
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I'm afraid that if I know,
>> I will know that I will lose, and
>> then I won't want to play.
> But it would allow you put attention on things that you can win. If
> you'd know what doesn't work you might be able to know what would work.
Agreed!
>>
>>
>> Well that's good!
>>
>> I should stop playing
>> that losing game so
>>
>> I CAN WIN ANOTHER!
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking forward to
>> more dialog with Joel
>> and the CSS members.
>>
>> They are obviously
>> doing something
>> hextremely right.
>>
>> COMPARING TO UCP
>> will be very revealing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Trying to Finish vs.
>> Trying not to Finish
>>
>> As in wanting to win,
>> but the game play on,
>>
>> as in writing music.
>> I want the symphony
>> to go on and on
>> forever
>>
>> and I also need it to end
>>
>> it's like tantric sex
>> it feels so good
>> you want it to
>> go on forever
> there is more to tantra than sex.
Sure!
There's much more to
dining than to eating.
There's much more to
sharing than to using!
> Here is a quote from a Satsang with
> Maitreya(http://www.maitreya.org/FILES/Feast/Lectures/3rd-seal_sacrifice.htm):
> 'There are two paths, the path of yoga and the path of tantra. The path
> of yoga is to avoid. It means discipline, to avoid it. You say, "I am
> not going to do these things because of the way they affect me."
OK!
But that's obviously being
a macoshist effect of them!
By saying never, you
only create forever.
>But the path of tantra is to go through it and see the triviality of it.
OK!
Life is trivial
to the dead.
I think the challenge of LIFE
is to integrate the Apollonian
awareness of contemplation with
the Dionysiac abandonment of self.
I understand that happens in
meditation iself, but I talking about
also reflecting that in REAL LIFE.
My ideal scene would be a monthly
community rhythm which waxed and
waned with the moon. Party during
the full moon and meditate in new.
>You understand, "What good did this do me?"
MY NOW WAS WOW!
Better Memories Through
Fabulous Sexperiences!
>For instance, "Do I have to
>watch television for such a long time,
>or do I have to go through this
> desire that I have?"
No you don't. You don't have to live.
>You come out of it and you say, "So what? That
> didn't satisfy me. That wasn't it.
>It was not permanent, it was temporary."'
Life is temporary.
Enjoy it now,
when you can.
After we are dead
we can celebrate
the triviality of life!
THANKS FOR WRITING!
O
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>> and you also
>> really want
>> to come
>>
>> APOLLO and DIONYSIS
>> in their interraction,
>> usually oscillate
>> from pole to
>> pole shIFt.
>>
>> I guess in non-duality they
>> would both be coming forever
>> in the eternal silent stillness?
>>
>> ????
>>
>> I guess I could
>> make do with that
>>
>> if it was my
>> only choice!
>>
>> Time will tell
>> Will what to
>>
>> DO NOW!
>> I'M DONE!
>>
>> ANOTHER STEP CLOSER!
>>
>> 1:03 edit + format 1:16
>>
>> 2:37 total this session
>>
>> THANKS FOR READING!
>
> Thanks for sharing. Good to see you do UCP.
>
>>
>> O
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