Wednesday, February 01, 2006
Re: approaching effort band
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DATE: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:02:56 -0800
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THREAD: Re: approaching effort band
POSTER: Brahmamurti
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:02:56 -0800,
Brahmamurti wrote:
> here is a session i just finished.
WAY COOL!
>to me it seems to have elements of
> the effort band. accountable, blame,
Yes.
>etc but also doubt about beingness.
OK! The lowest tone is the most real.
Higher ones you dramatize at effect.
>inverted false pretense goals are here too. this is why i
> keep forgetting them because they are not real.
Sure. You PRETEND to the GOAL
as part of the obligatory VALENCE.
>real goals are unknown or out of sight it seems.
>i keep forgetting the goals that i make... so
> i don't really want to do them
There you have it!
What do you really
want to do now?
>but know that according to the society i
Fuck Society. What do *YOU* want?
> have to do something work with something to earn money etc. Anyways.
> here is my session.
> -------------------
OK!
> now it is not happening at all.
Ever felt like that before?
>ok this is a session alright but my life is
> not happening at all. it seems that nothing has changed except perhaps
> my raising frustration that i seem unable to do something about my
> inability to do something.
FANTASTIC!
There *IS* your
area of change!
Work with that!
Frustration is Fuel
if you look at it and
work with it for you!
>of course this is not exactly true. I sleep,
> eat, drink, and those kinds of stuff. this is not what i am talking
> bout. i am talking about actually doing things that really matter.
Hexcellent!
That *IS* a major positive step!
>i have never applied for a job and got it. when i applied it was always
> by mail. there were a few exceptions however and it felt great however,
> have not been able to do them since.
OK!
> might be - able to do those things that matter to me. things that take
> my life and my understanding of it to the next level.
OK!
> compare - as it is now and has been for a long time
>
> ok something flashed in. it was in the past. my grandma had decided to
> buy some paintings of herself. really cheap and in my opinion then not
> well done at all. when we got the picture i said it didn't look like
> her at all. i called the painter supervisor and said that the paintings
> weren't good at all.
Hexcellent!
You took responsibility and communicated.
>he got mad and said he would turn up and he did. I
> didn't stand my ground. I hid away until he was gone. my grandma payed
> him and we were stuck with those paintings.
OK. He didn't agree and he was
harder to confront than you had
imagined before, so you fled.
> compare that with now
> this is pretty much the same picture. I say alot of stuff and plans and
> thinking and so on.
THINK = SYMBOLS = DOUBT
That's UP from where we saw you
pretty clearly a couple years ago:
at WORSHIP = -5 It looks like you
have come past SYMBOLS and
are now suffering in DOUBT.
>but I never or very seldom do.
Doubt begets Thinking, not action.
>this is of course
> very frustrating since i want a good life... not just for me but for
> all.
Hexactly WHAT would
that good life be? =
Where might you be?
I suspect you have to
answer that question
before you CAN *DO!*
>however if i can't even make my own life happen then why should i
> be able to make others people's lifes happen. of course it is their
> responsibility and all but it would be great to help in any way one
> could. if i can't make my own life happen how then am i an example for
> others? how can i ask of people to do things i can't do myself? i
> can't.
OK! Your triage is done!
NOW YOU KNOW *WHO*
TO CARE FOR FIRST!
> future
> i fly. make goal and work as hard as i can to make them happen. i have
> visions and i keep focused on them.
OK!
> compare that with now
> now i can forget all kinds of stuff. going to the grocery and
> forgetting stuff that i went there to get. then when coming home i have
> to go back or wait til then next time i go. now - i make goal but then
> forget about them. i have trouble focussing. i want to become a
> vegetarian but can't focus on it. i know this is what i want but can't
> go through with it. it is just such a struggle.
You are struggling to force yourself
to be a vegetarian with huge effort?
Compare *YOU* to A VEGETARIAN!
WHY is A Vegetarian SO Perfect?
>future scenario i would
> just plan and see what needs to be done and then go ahead if possible.
> planning, preparing, doing, observation and the cycle can continue. now
> i observe, see what needs to be done, plan and then post pone it and
> then forget about it or rather let it haunt me because i didn't do it.
"WHAT needs to be done?" or
What WHO needs to be done?
> past - i wanted to be a pilot. found out it wasn't possible or rather
> somebody said it would not be possible. i trusted that what was said
> was correct and so i gave up that dream altho i would still like to do
> it
OK!
> compare - still would like to fly - doesn't matter how just that i can
> do it. it could be an ultra flight or something. it would be fun. the
> difference between now and then is that i today know that i could do it
> however i don't pursue it.
>it just sickens me. looking at my errors and
> failures to do stuff sickens me. it is not ok.
IT'S OK TO BE SICK!
It's much better than
pretending to be well!
That really kills you!
>i am only 33 years old.
> i can still do alot of stuff. why is it so hard?
Because EFFORT is getting
more and more real to you,
as you slowly creep up on it.
> future - doing stuff is really easy. it is no trouble at all. whatever
> i wanna do it just flows from me like a play.
OK!
> compare i remember when being a child. things were just so easy or
> seemed to be. i would just play whatever i wanted to do. superman,
> tarzan, batman whatever i could be them all. it was all in my
> imagination of course but there nothign was impossible. what is the
> difference to now?
Hexcellent Question!
> then i did things that i liked doing. i liked playing so i did that.
WAY COOL!
> now i dream about things i would like and i know is good for me in my
> life but i don't do them.
Dreaming is a first step!
>then i dreamed of things i could do if i was somebody else
THEN you were willing to be
LOTS of differeent people!
>now i dream of thing i should do to be the one i know i am.
The one who has to pretend to be
what he really should be doing?
>also today i have to get food on the table or die. there are things
> i have to do. then i didn't. i could drink soda drinks, run around in
> naked feet and feel the grass tickle and make me laugh. i was free felt
> free. life was an adventure. i would get up really early.
WAY COOL!
>this ended when i went to school. i didn't like it one bit. we were doing all
> those kinds of things i didn't like doing. some of it i was good at
> because i was already intersted in them and had learned them - others i
> didn't like and therefore hadn't learned about and didn't want to
> learn. i wasn't given what i needed. i was suppposed to follow their
> rules. i was suppose to be their slave andn learn to submit to their
> commands. was i asked if i wanted to? no! it was just something i had
> to do. of course there are things we have to learn but i think children
> are naturally interested in learning about life why else would they
> learn to walk and talk? we don't have to pressure them and tell them
> how to behave. we should be examples of how to be instead of saying
> something and acting in the opposite way. so i was subjected to this
> insane scenario that i had no control of.
OK!
But you did control your reaction to it
to some extent at least. And you are
now much more able to control your
reaction to your life, including that.
>it didn't met my sensitive
> needs at all. they not only destroyed my ability to think freely and
> without limitation they conformed it or tried to conform it to their
> ways. they didn't succeed entirely however.. but they didn't succeed in
> creating confusion where there should be none. the schools finest task
> should be to allow the child to find out what it is good at and then
> cultivate these abilities. did it? no! what a waste. can i be blamed? i
> don't think so.
If you want to bLame yourself, go ahead.
OR you could decide what to do now to
improve your life as much as possible.
>it is however easy to blame others but if you are a
> child you need guidance. especially when you are shy. i was just left
> to figure it out for myself. my grandma got very sad when i said that i
> saw no purpose in my life and asked why i should live at all when i had
> no purpose. so i experimented in my mind with death... death meditation
> was one of them. pretending to be dead. noticed that the world would
> just continue whether or not i was present or not.
=====================================
A *NATURAL* FULL CIRCLE UCP SESSION!
=====================================
WAY COOL!
>so there should be a
> very good reason for me to be here. later i concluded that the purpose
> of life is to live. however this didn't solve my dilemma as the next
> question would be how to live right and if it would make a difference
> and if then to whom? back then i tried to read stuff... but i had then
> very same pattern back then that i have now. i would get a book, rent
> or lent whatever because it promised something that sounded goood.
> however if i did read even one chapter it would be a miracle.
What do YOU THINK living "right" would be?
Forget those other morons; they have their
own high priority suicides to attend to.
>i wanted
> to be a chessmaster. bought books. did i read any of them entirely?
> nope. one of them i read very thoroughly but to this day i haven't read
> everything in it. i can't but conclude that i must be very stupid.
Or maybe you WANTED TO BE A *CHESS MASTER*
rather than YOU JUST *LOVED PLAYING* CHESS.
Compare you to a chess master.
> however i am not the only one. what else can i be but stupid when i
> know what i should do but don't do it? i am really tired of it.
Or maybe you are just
pretending you know
what you really want?
> future - not tired, get up early and get things done the way i would
> like to or at least try my best to. my biggest problem is getting the
> things done.
OK!
Maybe you haven't properly prepared . . . yet.
> compare - tired of me not getting on with life. excuses whether valid
> or not sickens me i hate to apologize. why apologize? because you are
> not going to do what you know you shouldn't do. apologizing has it
> place too. but it should be done if you are sorry for something you did
> or something you should have done. you shouldn't apologize for
> something that you didn't get to do. did you do your best or not? if
> you didn't do your best then correct it. apologizing will not
> accomplish anything. waste of breath if you don't correct your ways.
OK!
That sounds much better than REGRET = -1.3!
> has been
> i knew my entire life that there was something wrong with me.
*!?!?!?*
WHAT was that?
WHO said so?
WHY?
Compare to now.
>i was shy
> my entire life. altho maybe this shyness wasn't shyness at all. maybe
> it was my purpose to overcome this dullness... to get things done that
> are needed and are good. i would like to think that i don't care about
> what people think about me but this is not quite true. i care about
> what people think about me because i am not doing what i know i should
> be doing.
SHAME, ACCOUNTABLE, B*LAME, REGRET etc.
>if i would be doing what is right then there would be no
> reason to worry about what people are thinking - new ability.
NEW UNDERSTANDING!
>this is
> the cause why i worry about what other people think about me. related
> to not making goals. wasting goals and doing something else instead.
WASTE SUBSTITUTE = DOUBT
> why wasting goals? because peole might not approve of it? who cares
> what they think? howver it has been a great influence in my life that
> people might not like it. attention on me is not good.. however, if i
> want to get things done attention could and probably will switch to me.
> this is not a bad thing tho.
NEW UNDERSTANDING!
> ok stopping... running... screaming. who cares what people think. I
> need a job so I have to aply. so simple! that people might not like me
> or not why should that stop me from aplying? why should anything stop
> me from trying to fulfil what i know is good?
NOW THAT YOU HAVE RESOLVED
YOUR DOUBT AND *KNOW* THAT, I
THINK YOU WILL ACT: NATURALLY!
THANKS FOR PLAYING!
THANKS FOR POSTING!
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DATE: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:02:56 -0800
NEWSGROUP: alt.ucp
THREAD: Re: approaching effort band
POSTER: Brahmamurti
REPLY TO: alt.ucp
NEW DISTRIBUTION:
BLOG: blogicalthought.blogspot.com
NEWSGROUPS: alt.ucp,alt.consciousness,alt.meditation,alt.self-improve,alt.spiritual.enhancement,alt.religion.scientology,alt.clearing.technology
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:02:56 -0800,
Brahmamurti
> here is a session i just finished.
WAY COOL!
>to me it seems to have elements of
> the effort band. accountable, blame,
Yes.
>etc but also doubt about beingness.
OK! The lowest tone is the most real.
Higher ones you dramatize at effect.
>inverted false pretense goals are here too. this is why i
> keep forgetting them because they are not real.
Sure. You PRETEND to the GOAL
as part of the obligatory VALENCE.
>real goals are unknown or out of sight it seems.
>i keep forgetting the goals that i make... so
> i don't really want to do them
There you have it!
What do you really
want to do now?
>but know that according to the society i
Fuck Society. What do *YOU* want?
> have to do something work with something to earn money etc. Anyways.
> here is my session.
> -------------------
OK!
> now it is not happening at all.
Ever felt like that before?
>ok this is a session alright but my life is
> not happening at all. it seems that nothing has changed except perhaps
> my raising frustration that i seem unable to do something about my
> inability to do something.
FANTASTIC!
There *IS* your
area of change!
Work with that!
Frustration is Fuel
if you look at it and
work with it for you!
>of course this is not exactly true. I sleep,
> eat, drink, and those kinds of stuff. this is not what i am talking
> bout. i am talking about actually doing things that really matter.
Hexcellent!
That *IS* a major positive step!
>i have never applied for a job and got it. when i applied it was always
> by mail. there were a few exceptions however and it felt great however,
> have not been able to do them since.
OK!
> might be - able to do those things that matter to me. things that take
> my life and my understanding of it to the next level.
OK!
> compare - as it is now and has been for a long time
>
> ok something flashed in. it was in the past. my grandma had decided to
> buy some paintings of herself. really cheap and in my opinion then not
> well done at all. when we got the picture i said it didn't look like
> her at all. i called the painter supervisor and said that the paintings
> weren't good at all.
Hexcellent!
You took responsibility and communicated.
>he got mad and said he would turn up and he did. I
> didn't stand my ground. I hid away until he was gone. my grandma payed
> him and we were stuck with those paintings.
OK. He didn't agree and he was
harder to confront than you had
imagined before, so you fled.
> compare that with now
> this is pretty much the same picture. I say alot of stuff and plans and
> thinking and so on.
THINK = SYMBOLS = DOUBT
That's UP from where we saw you
pretty clearly a couple years ago:
at WORSHIP = -5 It looks like you
have come past SYMBOLS and
are now suffering in DOUBT.
>but I never or very seldom do.
Doubt begets Thinking, not action.
>this is of course
> very frustrating since i want a good life... not just for me but for
> all.
Hexactly WHAT would
that good life be? =
Where might you be?
I suspect you have to
answer that question
before you CAN *DO!*
>however if i can't even make my own life happen then why should i
> be able to make others people's lifes happen. of course it is their
> responsibility and all but it would be great to help in any way one
> could. if i can't make my own life happen how then am i an example for
> others? how can i ask of people to do things i can't do myself? i
> can't.
OK! Your triage is done!
NOW YOU KNOW *WHO*
TO CARE FOR FIRST!
> future
> i fly. make goal and work as hard as i can to make them happen. i have
> visions and i keep focused on them.
OK!
> compare that with now
> now i can forget all kinds of stuff. going to the grocery and
> forgetting stuff that i went there to get. then when coming home i have
> to go back or wait til then next time i go. now - i make goal but then
> forget about them. i have trouble focussing. i want to become a
> vegetarian but can't focus on it. i know this is what i want but can't
> go through with it. it is just such a struggle.
You are struggling to force yourself
to be a vegetarian with huge effort?
Compare *YOU* to A VEGETARIAN!
WHY is A Vegetarian SO Perfect?
>future scenario i would
> just plan and see what needs to be done and then go ahead if possible.
> planning, preparing, doing, observation and the cycle can continue. now
> i observe, see what needs to be done, plan and then post pone it and
> then forget about it or rather let it haunt me because i didn't do it.
"WHAT needs to be done?" or
What WHO needs to be done?
> past - i wanted to be a pilot. found out it wasn't possible or rather
> somebody said it would not be possible. i trusted that what was said
> was correct and so i gave up that dream altho i would still like to do
> it
OK!
> compare - still would like to fly - doesn't matter how just that i can
> do it. it could be an ultra flight or something. it would be fun. the
> difference between now and then is that i today know that i could do it
> however i don't pursue it.
>it just sickens me. looking at my errors and
> failures to do stuff sickens me. it is not ok.
IT'S OK TO BE SICK!
It's much better than
pretending to be well!
That really kills you!
>i am only 33 years old.
> i can still do alot of stuff. why is it so hard?
Because EFFORT is getting
more and more real to you,
as you slowly creep up on it.
> future - doing stuff is really easy. it is no trouble at all. whatever
> i wanna do it just flows from me like a play.
OK!
> compare i remember when being a child. things were just so easy or
> seemed to be. i would just play whatever i wanted to do. superman,
> tarzan, batman whatever i could be them all. it was all in my
> imagination of course but there nothign was impossible. what is the
> difference to now?
Hexcellent Question!
> then i did things that i liked doing. i liked playing so i did that.
WAY COOL!
> now i dream about things i would like and i know is good for me in my
> life but i don't do them.
Dreaming is a first step!
>then i dreamed of things i could do if i was somebody else
THEN you were willing to be
LOTS of differeent people!
>now i dream of thing i should do to be the one i know i am.
The one who has to pretend to be
what he really should be doing?
>also today i have to get food on the table or die. there are things
> i have to do. then i didn't. i could drink soda drinks, run around in
> naked feet and feel the grass tickle and make me laugh. i was free felt
> free. life was an adventure. i would get up really early.
WAY COOL!
>this ended when i went to school. i didn't like it one bit. we were doing all
> those kinds of things i didn't like doing. some of it i was good at
> because i was already intersted in them and had learned them - others i
> didn't like and therefore hadn't learned about and didn't want to
> learn. i wasn't given what i needed. i was suppposed to follow their
> rules. i was suppose to be their slave andn learn to submit to their
> commands. was i asked if i wanted to? no! it was just something i had
> to do. of course there are things we have to learn but i think children
> are naturally interested in learning about life why else would they
> learn to walk and talk? we don't have to pressure them and tell them
> how to behave. we should be examples of how to be instead of saying
> something and acting in the opposite way. so i was subjected to this
> insane scenario that i had no control of.
OK!
But you did control your reaction to it
to some extent at least. And you are
now much more able to control your
reaction to your life, including that.
>it didn't met my sensitive
> needs at all. they not only destroyed my ability to think freely and
> without limitation they conformed it or tried to conform it to their
> ways. they didn't succeed entirely however.. but they didn't succeed in
> creating confusion where there should be none. the schools finest task
> should be to allow the child to find out what it is good at and then
> cultivate these abilities. did it? no! what a waste. can i be blamed? i
> don't think so.
If you want to bLame yourself, go ahead.
OR you could decide what to do now to
improve your life as much as possible.
>it is however easy to blame others but if you are a
> child you need guidance. especially when you are shy. i was just left
> to figure it out for myself. my grandma got very sad when i said that i
> saw no purpose in my life and asked why i should live at all when i had
> no purpose. so i experimented in my mind with death... death meditation
> was one of them. pretending to be dead. noticed that the world would
> just continue whether or not i was present or not.
=====================================
A *NATURAL* FULL CIRCLE UCP SESSION!
=====================================
WAY COOL!
>so there should be a
> very good reason for me to be here. later i concluded that the purpose
> of life is to live. however this didn't solve my dilemma as the next
> question would be how to live right and if it would make a difference
> and if then to whom? back then i tried to read stuff... but i had then
> very same pattern back then that i have now. i would get a book, rent
> or lent whatever because it promised something that sounded goood.
> however if i did read even one chapter it would be a miracle.
What do YOU THINK living "right" would be?
Forget those other morons; they have their
own high priority suicides to attend to.
>i wanted
> to be a chessmaster. bought books. did i read any of them entirely?
> nope. one of them i read very thoroughly but to this day i haven't read
> everything in it. i can't but conclude that i must be very stupid.
Or maybe you WANTED TO BE A *CHESS MASTER*
rather than YOU JUST *LOVED PLAYING* CHESS.
Compare you to a chess master.
> however i am not the only one. what else can i be but stupid when i
> know what i should do but don't do it? i am really tired of it.
Or maybe you are just
pretending you know
what you really want?
> future - not tired, get up early and get things done the way i would
> like to or at least try my best to. my biggest problem is getting the
> things done.
OK!
Maybe you haven't properly prepared . . . yet.
> compare - tired of me not getting on with life. excuses whether valid
> or not sickens me i hate to apologize. why apologize? because you are
> not going to do what you know you shouldn't do. apologizing has it
> place too. but it should be done if you are sorry for something you did
> or something you should have done. you shouldn't apologize for
> something that you didn't get to do. did you do your best or not? if
> you didn't do your best then correct it. apologizing will not
> accomplish anything. waste of breath if you don't correct your ways.
OK!
That sounds much better than REGRET = -1.3!
> has been
> i knew my entire life that there was something wrong with me.
*!?!?!?*
WHAT was that?
WHO said so?
WHY?
Compare to now.
>i was shy
> my entire life. altho maybe this shyness wasn't shyness at all. maybe
> it was my purpose to overcome this dullness... to get things done that
> are needed and are good. i would like to think that i don't care about
> what people think about me but this is not quite true. i care about
> what people think about me because i am not doing what i know i should
> be doing.
SHAME, ACCOUNTABLE, B*LAME, REGRET etc.
>if i would be doing what is right then there would be no
> reason to worry about what people are thinking - new ability.
NEW UNDERSTANDING!
>this is
> the cause why i worry about what other people think about me. related
> to not making goals. wasting goals and doing something else instead.
WASTE SUBSTITUTE = DOUBT
> why wasting goals? because peole might not approve of it? who cares
> what they think? howver it has been a great influence in my life that
> people might not like it. attention on me is not good.. however, if i
> want to get things done attention could and probably will switch to me.
> this is not a bad thing tho.
NEW UNDERSTANDING!
> ok stopping... running... screaming. who cares what people think. I
> need a job so I have to aply. so simple! that people might not like me
> or not why should that stop me from aplying? why should anything stop
> me from trying to fulfil what i know is good?
NOW THAT YOU HAVE RESOLVED
YOUR DOUBT AND *KNOW* THAT, I
THINK YOU WILL ACT: NATURALLY!
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THANKS FOR POSTING!
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