Saturday, January 28, 2006
Re: Control - that's what I want!
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DATE: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:48:11 -0800
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THREAD: Re: Control - that's what I want!
POSTER: Richard
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:48:11 -0800,
Richard wrote:
Re: Control - that's what I want!
> Hey KP,
Hi!
>> Is that the same as
>> "only a little different"
>> or "a little different"?
> Actually a fair bit different today - I felt pretty good.
Hexcellent!
> Funny I am working better - more able to focus - better feeling.
Hexcellent!
> Could just be normal life up and down but did feel refreshingly better
> today.
Hexcellent!
Sounds suspiciously like gains to me. :-)
> Got pissed with my girlfriend for her running a raquet because I
> wanted to go out. She created drama - I got hooked in it and ended up
> blaming her for puttin me in too bad a mood to go now. Want to punish
> her!
She created drama.
You created drama.
> Lucky it was on MSN so converasation dropped and I headed home on
> tube. Did UCP on it on way home. Could see my two scripts quite
> clearly - end of tube journey was not actively in them - felt pretty
> good.
Hexcellent!
You got tired of
your own drama.
You rewrote
your part!
NEW ABILITY TO APPLY UCP!
> Also did UCP for hour last night - initally hard again but got easier.
Hexcellent!
> On tube today was the easiest I have done it.
Hexcellent!
> Actually felt quite natural as opposed to a total effort.
UCP *IS* NATURAL!
But so it forgetting and
doing something else, so
*KNOWN* structure helps.
> Ummm - interesting stuf - let the experiment contnue.
YESSENCE!
> Sorry I am bit lazy at the moment to give extensive reports on my
> sessions - I will, maybe, soon enough.
Much more important to
DO UCP than write reports!
Both are nice! :-)
>> What did you expect?
>> Beam-me-up-stargate?
>> To a pyramid penthouse?v
> LOL - not at all. To be honest I expect very little so could be
> pleasantly surprised.
OK!
> I done enough things with great expectations withminimal results to be
> somewhat jaded and cynical by now.
Way Cool!
>> A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS
>> THE VERY BEST YOU CAN
>> REALISTICALLY HEXPECT!
>
> Ok.
>
>>
>> WELCOME TO REALITY!
>>
>> All the things that are just the same,
>> you probably haven't looked at very
>> close yet. The things that are a bit
>> different AT ALL are a BIG *WIN.*
>>
>> YOU changed your universe.
>> You are NOT total effect.
>> You have some CAUSE!
>
> Really - cool! lets see.
>
>>
>> You exist, AND you are moving!
>> And even in the right direction!
>
> Good to know that.
>
>>
>>> Had some insights
>>
>> YESSENCE!
>>
>> I see that as *BIG* change.
>
> Cool - you give me encouragement. Thank you.
You give me encouragement! Thank you.
>> BEHAVIOR FOLLOWS PERCEPTION.
>>
>> When you *SEE* things differently
>> . . . you REACT to them differently!
> Really - if I see my script does it antomatically change the script.
Not necessarily, but it gives you
a chance to question it and do a
rewrite . . . which becomes likely.
Your script changes as
your perceptions change.
> I've seen what an arsehole I can be for years and what do you know,
> I'm still an arsehole....... sometimes.
OK!
That's not likely to instantly cease,
but I hexpect it to peel off one
layer at a time as you learn
why you do what you do.
>>> but behaviour still pretty much the same.
>>
>> After you walk a few feet,
>> you are still pretty much
>> the same place, if you
>> don't look carefully
> Look carefully - yes tonight UCP felt like it allowed me to look more
> carefully at my running scripts without the attachment to them. Cool!
NEW ABILITY TO APPLY UCP.
>> and are willing to think in generalities
>> instead of looking at the particlular now.
>>
>> That your behavior is slightly modified
>> should be the subject of Celebration!
>
> Yahoo! a slight motification is cause for celebration. I like that.
You still have most of the road ahead of you.
But the most important step of the journey
is already behind you! YOUR FIRST STEP!
NOW your are already off and running!
Six billion are sleeping in the stands.
YOU ARE NOW IN THE HUMAN RACE!
. . . TO BECOME FULLY SENTIENT!
>> If you can change yourself
>> a teeny weeny bit for the
>> better YOU ARE A STAR!
> Someone once said to me - it doesn't matter what you are transcending
> big or small as long as you are transending that's the game.
Start where you are!
>> How many
>> can equal
>> that feat?
>>
>> If you can change a little,
>> you can change a lot.
> I like the lot bit better than the little.
OK! DO MORE!
>> It's a long journey.
>> You just started.
> Yep! I started ages ago but I've been skippingaround the same level for
> a long time now.
OK. You taxi'd back and forth on the runway.
Motor sounds good; controls are responsive.
Time to take off and fly, to a NEW destination!
>> YOU MOVED!
>> WAY COOL!
>>
>> You're not dead yet!
>> That separates you
>> from the zombies!
>>
>> One tiny motion
>> completely shifts
>> you into an entirely
>> new class: moving!
>>
>> The quick
>> rise from
>> the dead!
>>
>> BRAVO!
>>
>>>> I think you were stuck in some valence
>>>> when you were posting a couple years ago,
>>
>>> Can you explain valance a bit. I get the impression though and yes I
>>> was stuck in something, but then my life is a series of being stuck in
>>> some valances.
>>
>> valence = identity = role = script:
>> cowboy, indian, older brother, salesman,
>> my dad, mother, defiant young hothead,
>> a "proper" guru . . . watever you like.
>
> Thanks - that's explains it .
> I keep getting caught in the bloody things -
From 0=Failure=Death on down
they are a constant presence.
> just take over - takes a lot to see and catch them.But I do see them
> more these days - I'm aware atsome point I'm running in a script but
> still difficultto get off it.
OK! SEEING is the first step.
Causing or uncausing follow.
>> Any role you are desperately attached to, or
>> compulsively opposed to . . . for now at least.
>> Most people have a few favorite ones they
>> flop between, in endless cycles of wank.
>>
>>>> I think you got that valence up to zero . . .
>>>> Got that zero, +-20, +-40, resonance going.
>>>>
>>>> Sat oo the cusp of a valence choice looking,
>>>> and FOUND YOURSELF where you are now.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen it before where you see the
>>>> social self, the valence the guy believes
>>>> and projects, get up near zero and then
>>>> he SEES that's NOT HIM, and that his
>>>> ACTUAL location is around -40 or so.
>>>
>>> Yep!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You've gotten to a deeper level of him.
>>>> That's a full circle completion of a small
>>>> game expanding to a much larger game.
>>
>>> Deeper level of the social self?
>>
>> NO!
>>
>> You trashed your social self!
>> You gave up trying to find the
>> perfect social self to pretend to!
>> You defaulted to the grim truth!
>
> :-)
> Not sure I've fully given up the social self yet.
Sure! That's the end result of getting
to zero, out of your pretence liabilities.
But you're enough unstuck from those
to *SEE* WHERE YOU ACTUALLY ARE!
You ALREADY HAVE at least one
realistic viewpoint on yourself.
That's a big asset in
curing your errors!
At least you can
admit they exist!
> I see myself in my
> winning formula trying to impress often - laughable really.
Hexcellent!
What are you PRETENDING to be?
That usually gets to the quick of it.
> But I do see it more as time goes by.
And you KEEP LOOKING!
Hexcellent!
>> A huge leap ahead! . . .
>> To see where you are!
>>
>>>>>> LOOK *AT* THE HUMP!
>>>>>> *THAT'S* YOUR START!
>>
>>> Yeah - I did - I did an hour last night.
>>
>> Hexcellent!
>>
>>> I'll try to post soon if I can in summary.
>>
>> OK!
>>
>>> Was good actually - difficult - the resistance to
>>> moving and starting is huge to the point of pain -
>>
>> OK! That's what make's it a hump!
>
> Yeah - good word for it.
>
>>
>>> but I looked and pushed through and did get some insights.
>>
>> NEW UNDERSTANDING!
>>
>> As your viewpoint shifts . . .
>> your behavior follows naturally.
> This part I really have to see.
Of course . . .
Keep looking.
>> You never have to
>> force yourself to do
>> something that is
>> obvious and seems
>> quite natural, NOW.
>>
>>>>> Absolutely. As you said the psychedelics are better. I was not
>>>>> referring to them. I take GHB - it's has a more alchohol type effect
>>>>> but without the toxic effects on the body.
>>
>>>> OK! I don't know that one.
>>>
>>> http://www.ceri.com/ghbpage.shtml - a fairly positive view on it.
>>> Problem is I do find myself with a bit of a dependence on it - I use
>>> to relax to go to sleep, and other places in place of drink, but,
>>> although not physically addictive it is phychologically.
>> Thanks! Now they are making things
>> illegal before I even hear of them!
> Hehe - yes - a drug that's good for you. Ban it!
> I think swedan even have a kind of broad ban now - anything that makes
> you feel good (i.e abuse potential) = automatically illegal. :-)
> What would we do without a government to save us from harming
> ourselves huh!
Nothing Productive!
[to the government]
>>>>>> BUT *YOU* MOVED!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You KNOW something
>>>>>> is missing from your
>>>>>> own life equation.
>>
>>> Great! :-)
>>
>>>>>> YOU ARE RISING BY
>>>>>> YOUR OWN EFFORT!
>>
>>> Well - that remains to be seen
>>
>> It does?
> Well yes and no. I'm not moving anywhere near as fast as I would lik
> these last years.
OK!
That's where you are now.
Where might you be?
>> It's blindingly obvious to me,
>> based on your own reports!
> Ummm - but I have reported so little.
????
You reported so *MUCH!*
You read about UCP!
[you forgot to lecture
about it's ills for years!]
YOU DID UCP!
YOU KEPT DOING UCP.
YOU GOT CHANGES AND
NEW PERCEPTIONS!
YOU REPORTED TOO!
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THAT'S PERFECT!
===============
WHAT could you
have done better?
> Still nice to hear you see somethingthat is not immediately obvious to
> me.
1] You're doing ucp.
2] You're making gains.
3] You're posting to us.
THAT'S *HUGE!*
Which of those are
not obvious to you?
That's the most
you could do
where you are!
YOU WIN!
KEEP PLAYING!
>> You seem to have some
>> stuck picture that it's "all
>> the same", and THINK you
>> must not be moving at all?
>
> Yep!
OK!
Ever felt like that before?
>> Ever felt like that before?
>> [or however you do feel
>> about all this right now]
>
> I'll look at that one.
OK!
>> I'm thrilled you are moving!
>>
>> You are dismayed that
>> you are not there yet!
>
> Not dismayed - just neutral - though more positive now.
OK!
Another gain.
>> When you walk a few steps,
>> your picture has already
>> changed quite perceptibly.
>>
>> You need to look closely
>> to see where to step next.
>
> Thanks for the clue.
>
>>
>> Watching that change,
>> will enable the next.
>
> OK
>
>>
>> Compare you now to
>> a few sessions ago,
>> and two years ago,
>> when you posted.
>
> Ok
>>
>> I'm much more interested in
>> people who are moving than
>> people at fixed high tone levels.
>
> Oh God yes!
> Nothing more tedious or boring to me than someone thinking they are
> secure and
>
>>
>> A guy who keeps moving will
>> always pass a guy who doe not.
>>
>> Traveling companions know the path.
>> Nomads share something the farmers
>> don't, even if they live at high elevation.
>>
>> One is a photo . . .
>> the other a movie!
>>
>>> but I have some hope.
>>
>> Hexcellent!
>>
>> Much better than that,
>> you have some results!
> Yes I start to see a few now.
Hexcellent!
You have to
look to see!
> At least the usefulnes of it as a tool
> to look at stuff from different anglesand de-hook myself from scripts
> to take a look at them.
Yessence!
You have a new tool AND
you are learning to use it!
You're still a newbie, and
you already did some work,
and got some results.
>> And new viewpoints!
>>
>> YOU KNOW HOW
>> to improve your
>> own viewpoints.
> Ok - not sure about I know how to improve - but I can look.
DOING UCP IMPROVES YOUR VIEWPOINTS!
>> That's the KEY to
>> unlock a new you!
>
> COOOOOL!!!
>
>>
>>>>> I've discovered mostly things are very....
>>>>> soupy inside! and hard to verbalise!
>>>>
>>>> NEW PERCEPTION!
>>
>>> yes - I have been looking at this one more.
>>
>> Hexcellent!
>>
>>>> I say that's a great big deal!
>>>> ANYTHING *YOU DISCOVER*
>>>> IS a big deal. Discovering
>>>> something CONNECTED TO
>>>> your actual life has obvious
>>>> potential for real progress.
>>
>>>> MOVING A LITTLE IS
>>>> A *VERY* BIG DEAL!
>>
>>> That is a great way to look at it.
>>
>> That's what separates
>> winners from losers.
>>
>> KEEP MOVING!
>> KEEP WINNING!
>
> :-)
>
>>
>> If you just climb
>> one step at a time,
>> and keep at it . . .
>> you get to the top!
>>
>> THAT'S THE BIGGEST
>> DEAL THERE IS!
>
> Yes - thanks for the reminder.
>
>>
>>>> Like a steam locomotive,
>>>> getting started is hardest.
>>
>>> YEs - like this in everything for me.
>>
>> OK!
>>
>> But you already got started!
>> You just have to keep at it!
>>
>> YOU ALREADY *WON!*
>> JUST KEEP WINNING!
>>
>>>> Once it moves at all, no
>>>> matter how slowly, it picks
>>>> up more and more speed, as
>>>> long as you shovel the coal.
>>
>>> OR it picks up plateurs and dies -the normal pattern - enthusiasm -
>>> boredom - give up.
>>
>> YES! That's why I'm SO excited about you.
>> You already gave up on UCP, several times!
> Yep! sometimes I'm like this. Attention in and out for a while but
> things with substance stick and hang around even if I keep going in
> and out.
OK!
Your attention keeps sticking
on some things, even in your
swirl of "random" confusion.
A good sign!
Work with it!
>> You've been through that pattern several times.
>> And yet you keep coming back to ucp because
>> it makes sense and it works.
> It makes sense and I like you.
Way Cool!
Me too!
> The works bit I need to find out more.
Hexcellent! *DO!*
>> And you were
>> willing to do the hard work to bypass your
>> social self and confront your wiped out self.
>> You kept coming back to him over and over
>> again, until you KNEW you couldn't deny him.
> No choice - pain is too much in the end.
OK!
> Have to find something that works.
CONGRATULATIONS!
ON YOUR SUCCESSFUL SEARCH!
You beat six billion to the solution.
>> Congratulations!
>>
>> That's the one who needs help!
>> And deserves it for standing up!
>>
>> When you stopped denying him,
>> you finally started to help him!
>>
>> You scraped through all your own crap
>> about where you thought you were . . .
>> until you got down to the real dirt!
>>
>> Congratulations!
>>
>> Now you can plant a garden
>> and grow something good!
> I like that - such a great way of putting things.
Thanks!
I try to put them,
the way they are!
>> YOU KNOW SOMETHING!
>> Even if it's not pleasant!
>>
>> The unpleasant truths are
>> often critically important!
>
>
> Yes
>
>>
>> And when your bewildered sElf
>> decided to get in touch with mine
>> . . . YOUR TIMING WAS *PERFECT!*
>>
>> We seem to be in sync.
>> I'm inclined to think you
>> must be doing something
>> . . . hextremely b/right!
>
> :-)
>
>>
>>> I hope this one is not that way -
>>
>> I think you are past that stage.
>> Now that know where you are,
>> you WILL *SEE* your ACTUAL
>> progress as you move up tone.
>>
>> Those gains don't vanish.
>>
>>> I have intention for it not to be -
>>
>> YESSENCE!
>>
>> That's one critical difference already!
>> That's the BIGGEST critical difference!
>> It's the prime mover for all the others!
>>
>> And you don't think
>> you've made progress?
>>
>> I beg to differ! :-)
>>
>> LOOK FOR YOURSELF
>> . . . AT YOURSELF!
>>
>>> I want to move to next level ofenthusiasm beyond the initial plateur.
>>
>> That's HEXACTLY *WHY* I'm so enthusiastic
>> about your progress already. You've DONE
>> much heavy lifting to SEE WHERE YOU ARE!
>>
>> That's a critical milestone!
>> Now you CAN move fast!
>>
>> You are above hallucination on the work
>> to be done to fix yourself up to the kind
>> of standards that keep getting higher!
>> Fantastic! You *should* be daunted!
>
> Cool!
>
>>
>> You're not still trying
>> to prove to yourself
>> you're perfect already!
>>
>> It's a good indicator to
>> be dubious or cautious!
>>
>>>> One of my teachers was with Leary at Millbrook,
>>>
>>> Cool! Leary was a brave pioneer. I have a lot of respect for him.
>>
>> Yes. I made a point of hearing Tim in LA a few years
>> before he died, to see if he looked damaged from
>> all that acid. He had all of his marbles . . . and a
>> lot he most have won from somebody else too!
> Yes - amazing isn't it. I find it hard to imagine the bravery it took
> for this guy to fly out on the edge - to push the envelope so much and
> he began at 42. Quite an inspiration. And they were doing lots of
> strong acid - my mind boggles.
Yessence!
>>> Seems to be that way - depressing huh! a world of zombies.
>>
>> YES! When I hear someone screaming:
>> "Help! I'm dying!" I geat really hexcited!
>
> :-)
>
>>
>> I GOT A *LIVE* ONE NOW!
>> WHO KNOWS HE'S ALIVE!
>> AND WANTS SOME HELP!
>> I CAN WORK WITH THAT!
> Great!
>> The chart is simple!
>> Start at the left. Look
>> at the 1, 2, 4 divisions.
>> Those are the chart.
>>
>> Everything else is just
>> finer and finer refinements
>> to measure small movements.
>>
>> Get the latest excel chart from the web site,
>> read the notes, print it out, and LOOK at it.
>> LOOK at the chart at the end of your session.
>
> Ok - I will look - I have not been looking - only doing some UCP
OK! Now you have some
hexperience looking at
your own universe . . .
comparing it to the
Universal Perspective
helps you understand
where you are now
and what s next.
> Thanks again KP.
>
> Richard
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DATE: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:48:11 -0800
NEWSGROUP: alt.ucp
THREAD: Re: Control - that's what I want!
POSTER: Richard
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:48:11 -0800,
Richard
Re: Control - that's what I want!
> Hey KP,
Hi!
>> Is that the same as
>> "only a little different"
>> or "a little different"?
> Actually a fair bit different today - I felt pretty good.
Hexcellent!
> Funny I am working better - more able to focus - better feeling.
Hexcellent!
> Could just be normal life up and down but did feel refreshingly better
> today.
Hexcellent!
Sounds suspiciously like gains to me. :-)
> Got pissed with my girlfriend for her running a raquet because I
> wanted to go out. She created drama - I got hooked in it and ended up
> blaming her for puttin me in too bad a mood to go now. Want to punish
> her!
She created drama.
You created drama.
> Lucky it was on MSN so converasation dropped and I headed home on
> tube. Did UCP on it on way home. Could see my two scripts quite
> clearly - end of tube journey was not actively in them - felt pretty
> good.
Hexcellent!
You got tired of
your own drama.
You rewrote
your part!
NEW ABILITY TO APPLY UCP!
> Also did UCP for hour last night - initally hard again but got easier.
Hexcellent!
> On tube today was the easiest I have done it.
Hexcellent!
> Actually felt quite natural as opposed to a total effort.
UCP *IS* NATURAL!
But so it forgetting and
doing something else, so
*KNOWN* structure helps.
> Ummm - interesting stuf - let the experiment contnue.
YESSENCE!
> Sorry I am bit lazy at the moment to give extensive reports on my
> sessions - I will, maybe, soon enough.
Much more important to
DO UCP than write reports!
Both are nice! :-)
>> What did you expect?
>> Beam-me-up-stargate?
>> To a pyramid penthouse?v
> LOL - not at all. To be honest I expect very little so could be
> pleasantly surprised.
OK!
> I done enough things with great expectations withminimal results to be
> somewhat jaded and cynical by now.
Way Cool!
>> A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS
>> THE VERY BEST YOU CAN
>> REALISTICALLY HEXPECT!
>
> Ok.
>
>>
>> WELCOME TO REALITY!
>>
>> All the things that are just the same,
>> you probably haven't looked at very
>> close yet. The things that are a bit
>> different AT ALL are a BIG *WIN.*
>>
>> YOU changed your universe.
>> You are NOT total effect.
>> You have some CAUSE!
>
> Really - cool! lets see.
>
>>
>> You exist, AND you are moving!
>> And even in the right direction!
>
> Good to know that.
>
>>
>>> Had some insights
>>
>> YESSENCE!
>>
>> I see that as *BIG* change.
>
> Cool - you give me encouragement. Thank you.
You give me encouragement! Thank you.
>> BEHAVIOR FOLLOWS PERCEPTION.
>>
>> When you *SEE* things differently
>> . . . you REACT to them differently!
> Really - if I see my script does it antomatically change the script.
Not necessarily, but it gives you
a chance to question it and do a
rewrite . . . which becomes likely.
Your script changes as
your perceptions change.
> I've seen what an arsehole I can be for years and what do you know,
> I'm still an arsehole....... sometimes.
OK!
That's not likely to instantly cease,
but I hexpect it to peel off one
layer at a time as you learn
why you do what you do.
>>> but behaviour still pretty much the same.
>>
>> After you walk a few feet,
>> you are still pretty much
>> the same place, if you
>> don't look carefully
> Look carefully - yes tonight UCP felt like it allowed me to look more
> carefully at my running scripts without the attachment to them. Cool!
NEW ABILITY TO APPLY UCP.
>> and are willing to think in generalities
>> instead of looking at the particlular now.
>>
>> That your behavior is slightly modified
>> should be the subject of Celebration!
>
> Yahoo! a slight motification is cause for celebration. I like that.
You still have most of the road ahead of you.
But the most important step of the journey
is already behind you! YOUR FIRST STEP!
NOW your are already off and running!
Six billion are sleeping in the stands.
YOU ARE NOW IN THE HUMAN RACE!
. . . TO BECOME FULLY SENTIENT!
>> If you can change yourself
>> a teeny weeny bit for the
>> better YOU ARE A STAR!
> Someone once said to me - it doesn't matter what you are transcending
> big or small as long as you are transending that's the game.
Start where you are!
>> How many
>> can equal
>> that feat?
>>
>> If you can change a little,
>> you can change a lot.
> I like the lot bit better than the little.
OK! DO MORE!
>> It's a long journey.
>> You just started.
> Yep! I started ages ago but I've been skippingaround the same level for
> a long time now.
OK. You taxi'd back and forth on the runway.
Motor sounds good; controls are responsive.
Time to take off and fly, to a NEW destination!
>> YOU MOVED!
>> WAY COOL!
>>
>> You're not dead yet!
>> That separates you
>> from the zombies!
>>
>> One tiny motion
>> completely shifts
>> you into an entirely
>> new class: moving!
>>
>> The quick
>> rise from
>> the dead!
>>
>> BRAVO!
>>
>>>> I think you were stuck in some valence
>>>> when you were posting a couple years ago,
>>
>>> Can you explain valance a bit. I get the impression though and yes I
>>> was stuck in something, but then my life is a series of being stuck in
>>> some valances.
>>
>> valence = identity = role = script:
>> cowboy, indian, older brother, salesman,
>> my dad, mother, defiant young hothead,
>> a "proper" guru . . . watever you like.
>
> Thanks - that's explains it .
> I keep getting caught in the bloody things -
From 0=Failure=Death on down
they are a constant presence.
> just take over - takes a lot to see and catch them.But I do see them
> more these days - I'm aware atsome point I'm running in a script but
> still difficultto get off it.
OK! SEEING is the first step.
Causing or uncausing follow.
>> Any role you are desperately attached to, or
>> compulsively opposed to . . . for now at least.
>> Most people have a few favorite ones they
>> flop between, in endless cycles of wank.
>>
>>>> I think you got that valence up to zero . . .
>>>> Got that zero, +-20, +-40, resonance going.
>>>>
>>>> Sat oo the cusp of a valence choice looking,
>>>> and FOUND YOURSELF where you are now.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen it before where you see the
>>>> social self, the valence the guy believes
>>>> and projects, get up near zero and then
>>>> he SEES that's NOT HIM, and that his
>>>> ACTUAL location is around -40 or so.
>>>
>>> Yep!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You've gotten to a deeper level of him.
>>>> That's a full circle completion of a small
>>>> game expanding to a much larger game.
>>
>>> Deeper level of the social self?
>>
>> NO!
>>
>> You trashed your social self!
>> You gave up trying to find the
>> perfect social self to pretend to!
>> You defaulted to the grim truth!
>
> :-)
> Not sure I've fully given up the social self yet.
Sure! That's the end result of getting
to zero, out of your pretence liabilities.
But you're enough unstuck from those
to *SEE* WHERE YOU ACTUALLY ARE!
You ALREADY HAVE at least one
realistic viewpoint on yourself.
That's a big asset in
curing your errors!
At least you can
admit they exist!
> I see myself in my
> winning formula trying to impress often - laughable really.
Hexcellent!
What are you PRETENDING to be?
That usually gets to the quick of it.
> But I do see it more as time goes by.
And you KEEP LOOKING!
Hexcellent!
>> A huge leap ahead! . . .
>> To see where you are!
>>
>>>>>> LOOK *AT* THE HUMP!
>>>>>> *THAT'S* YOUR START!
>>
>>> Yeah - I did - I did an hour last night.
>>
>> Hexcellent!
>>
>>> I'll try to post soon if I can in summary.
>>
>> OK!
>>
>>> Was good actually - difficult - the resistance to
>>> moving and starting is huge to the point of pain -
>>
>> OK! That's what make's it a hump!
>
> Yeah - good word for it.
>
>>
>>> but I looked and pushed through and did get some insights.
>>
>> NEW UNDERSTANDING!
>>
>> As your viewpoint shifts . . .
>> your behavior follows naturally.
> This part I really have to see.
Of course . . .
Keep looking.
>> You never have to
>> force yourself to do
>> something that is
>> obvious and seems
>> quite natural, NOW.
>>
>>>>> Absolutely. As you said the psychedelics are better. I was not
>>>>> referring to them. I take GHB - it's has a more alchohol type effect
>>>>> but without the toxic effects on the body.
>>
>>>> OK! I don't know that one.
>>>
>>> http://www.ceri.com/ghbpage.shtml - a fairly positive view on it.
>>> Problem is I do find myself with a bit of a dependence on it - I use
>>> to relax to go to sleep, and other places in place of drink, but,
>>> although not physically addictive it is phychologically.
>> Thanks! Now they are making things
>> illegal before I even hear of them!
> Hehe - yes - a drug that's good for you. Ban it!
> I think swedan even have a kind of broad ban now - anything that makes
> you feel good (i.e abuse potential) = automatically illegal. :-)
> What would we do without a government to save us from harming
> ourselves huh!
Nothing Productive!
[to the government]
>>>>>> BUT *YOU* MOVED!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You KNOW something
>>>>>> is missing from your
>>>>>> own life equation.
>>
>>> Great! :-)
>>
>>>>>> YOU ARE RISING BY
>>>>>> YOUR OWN EFFORT!
>>
>>> Well - that remains to be seen
>>
>> It does?
> Well yes and no. I'm not moving anywhere near as fast as I would lik
> these last years.
OK!
That's where you are now.
Where might you be?
>> It's blindingly obvious to me,
>> based on your own reports!
> Ummm - but I have reported so little.
????
You reported so *MUCH!*
You read about UCP!
[you forgot to lecture
about it's ills for years!]
YOU DID UCP!
YOU KEPT DOING UCP.
YOU GOT CHANGES AND
NEW PERCEPTIONS!
YOU REPORTED TOO!
===============
THAT'S PERFECT!
===============
WHAT could you
have done better?
> Still nice to hear you see somethingthat is not immediately obvious to
> me.
1] You're doing ucp.
2] You're making gains.
3] You're posting to us.
THAT'S *HUGE!*
Which of those are
not obvious to you?
That's the most
you could do
where you are!
YOU WIN!
KEEP PLAYING!
>> You seem to have some
>> stuck picture that it's "all
>> the same", and THINK you
>> must not be moving at all?
>
> Yep!
OK!
Ever felt like that before?
>> Ever felt like that before?
>> [or however you do feel
>> about all this right now]
>
> I'll look at that one.
OK!
>> I'm thrilled you are moving!
>>
>> You are dismayed that
>> you are not there yet!
>
> Not dismayed - just neutral - though more positive now.
OK!
Another gain.
>> When you walk a few steps,
>> your picture has already
>> changed quite perceptibly.
>>
>> You need to look closely
>> to see where to step next.
>
> Thanks for the clue.
>
>>
>> Watching that change,
>> will enable the next.
>
> OK
>
>>
>> Compare you now to
>> a few sessions ago,
>> and two years ago,
>> when you posted.
>
> Ok
>>
>> I'm much more interested in
>> people who are moving than
>> people at fixed high tone levels.
>
> Oh God yes!
> Nothing more tedious or boring to me than someone thinking they are
> secure and
>
>>
>> A guy who keeps moving will
>> always pass a guy who doe not.
>>
>> Traveling companions know the path.
>> Nomads share something the farmers
>> don't, even if they live at high elevation.
>>
>> One is a photo . . .
>> the other a movie!
>>
>>> but I have some hope.
>>
>> Hexcellent!
>>
>> Much better than that,
>> you have some results!
> Yes I start to see a few now.
Hexcellent!
You have to
look to see!
> At least the usefulnes of it as a tool
> to look at stuff from different anglesand de-hook myself from scripts
> to take a look at them.
Yessence!
You have a new tool AND
you are learning to use it!
You're still a newbie, and
you already did some work,
and got some results.
>> And new viewpoints!
>>
>> YOU KNOW HOW
>> to improve your
>> own viewpoints.
> Ok - not sure about I know how to improve - but I can look.
DOING UCP IMPROVES YOUR VIEWPOINTS!
>> That's the KEY to
>> unlock a new you!
>
> COOOOOL!!!
>
>>
>>>>> I've discovered mostly things are very....
>>>>> soupy inside! and hard to verbalise!
>>>>
>>>> NEW PERCEPTION!
>>
>>> yes - I have been looking at this one more.
>>
>> Hexcellent!
>>
>>>> I say that's a great big deal!
>>>> ANYTHING *YOU DISCOVER*
>>>> IS a big deal. Discovering
>>>> something CONNECTED TO
>>>> your actual life has obvious
>>>> potential for real progress.
>>
>>>> MOVING A LITTLE IS
>>>> A *VERY* BIG DEAL!
>>
>>> That is a great way to look at it.
>>
>> That's what separates
>> winners from losers.
>>
>> KEEP MOVING!
>> KEEP WINNING!
>
> :-)
>
>>
>> If you just climb
>> one step at a time,
>> and keep at it . . .
>> you get to the top!
>>
>> THAT'S THE BIGGEST
>> DEAL THERE IS!
>
> Yes - thanks for the reminder.
>
>>
>>>> Like a steam locomotive,
>>>> getting started is hardest.
>>
>>> YEs - like this in everything for me.
>>
>> OK!
>>
>> But you already got started!
>> You just have to keep at it!
>>
>> YOU ALREADY *WON!*
>> JUST KEEP WINNING!
>>
>>>> Once it moves at all, no
>>>> matter how slowly, it picks
>>>> up more and more speed, as
>>>> long as you shovel the coal.
>>
>>> OR it picks up plateurs and dies -the normal pattern - enthusiasm -
>>> boredom - give up.
>>
>> YES! That's why I'm SO excited about you.
>> You already gave up on UCP, several times!
> Yep! sometimes I'm like this. Attention in and out for a while but
> things with substance stick and hang around even if I keep going in
> and out.
OK!
Your attention keeps sticking
on some things, even in your
swirl of "random" confusion.
A good sign!
Work with it!
>> You've been through that pattern several times.
>> And yet you keep coming back to ucp because
>> it makes sense and it works.
> It makes sense and I like you.
Way Cool!
Me too!
> The works bit I need to find out more.
Hexcellent! *DO!*
>> And you were
>> willing to do the hard work to bypass your
>> social self and confront your wiped out self.
>> You kept coming back to him over and over
>> again, until you KNEW you couldn't deny him.
> No choice - pain is too much in the end.
OK!
> Have to find something that works.
CONGRATULATIONS!
ON YOUR SUCCESSFUL SEARCH!
You beat six billion to the solution.
>> Congratulations!
>>
>> That's the one who needs help!
>> And deserves it for standing up!
>>
>> When you stopped denying him,
>> you finally started to help him!
>>
>> You scraped through all your own crap
>> about where you thought you were . . .
>> until you got down to the real dirt!
>>
>> Congratulations!
>>
>> Now you can plant a garden
>> and grow something good!
> I like that - such a great way of putting things.
Thanks!
I try to put them,
the way they are!
>> YOU KNOW SOMETHING!
>> Even if it's not pleasant!
>>
>> The unpleasant truths are
>> often critically important!
>
>
> Yes
>
>>
>> And when your bewildered sElf
>> decided to get in touch with mine
>> . . . YOUR TIMING WAS *PERFECT!*
>>
>> We seem to be in sync.
>> I'm inclined to think you
>> must be doing something
>> . . . hextremely b/right!
>
> :-)
>
>>
>>> I hope this one is not that way -
>>
>> I think you are past that stage.
>> Now that know where you are,
>> you WILL *SEE* your ACTUAL
>> progress as you move up tone.
>>
>> Those gains don't vanish.
>>
>>> I have intention for it not to be -
>>
>> YESSENCE!
>>
>> That's one critical difference already!
>> That's the BIGGEST critical difference!
>> It's the prime mover for all the others!
>>
>> And you don't think
>> you've made progress?
>>
>> I beg to differ! :-)
>>
>> LOOK FOR YOURSELF
>> . . . AT YOURSELF!
>>
>>> I want to move to next level ofenthusiasm beyond the initial plateur.
>>
>> That's HEXACTLY *WHY* I'm so enthusiastic
>> about your progress already. You've DONE
>> much heavy lifting to SEE WHERE YOU ARE!
>>
>> That's a critical milestone!
>> Now you CAN move fast!
>>
>> You are above hallucination on the work
>> to be done to fix yourself up to the kind
>> of standards that keep getting higher!
>> Fantastic! You *should* be daunted!
>
> Cool!
>
>>
>> You're not still trying
>> to prove to yourself
>> you're perfect already!
>>
>> It's a good indicator to
>> be dubious or cautious!
>>
>>>> One of my teachers was with Leary at Millbrook,
>>>
>>> Cool! Leary was a brave pioneer. I have a lot of respect for him.
>>
>> Yes. I made a point of hearing Tim in LA a few years
>> before he died, to see if he looked damaged from
>> all that acid. He had all of his marbles . . . and a
>> lot he most have won from somebody else too!
> Yes - amazing isn't it. I find it hard to imagine the bravery it took
> for this guy to fly out on the edge - to push the envelope so much and
> he began at 42. Quite an inspiration. And they were doing lots of
> strong acid - my mind boggles.
Yessence!
>>> Seems to be that way - depressing huh! a world of zombies.
>>
>> YES! When I hear someone screaming:
>> "Help! I'm dying!" I geat really hexcited!
>
> :-)
>
>>
>> I GOT A *LIVE* ONE NOW!
>> WHO KNOWS HE'S ALIVE!
>> AND WANTS SOME HELP!
>> I CAN WORK WITH THAT!
> Great!
>> The chart is simple!
>> Start at the left. Look
>> at the 1, 2, 4 divisions.
>> Those are the chart.
>>
>> Everything else is just
>> finer and finer refinements
>> to measure small movements.
>>
>> Get the latest excel chart from the web site,
>> read the notes, print it out, and LOOK at it.
>> LOOK at the chart at the end of your session.
>
> Ok - I will look - I have not been looking - only doing some UCP
OK! Now you have some
hexperience looking at
your own universe . . .
comparing it to the
Universal Perspective
helps you understand
where you are now
and what s next.
> Thanks again KP.
>
> Richard
THANKS FOR PLAYING!
THANKS FOR POSTING!
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